This very important article in Vox, based on Russian research, reveals an apparently staggering level of support for ISIS in Europe, and in France in particular, where one in six people report supporting the extreme terrorist Sunni group that has been slaughtering Christians, Shias, Sunnis who don’t agree with them, and anyone else who gets in their way.
And the level of support rises as respondents get younger.

Very, very worrying.
We somewhat doubt the veracity of the research and wonder if people are confabulating “ISIS”, “Gaza” and “Hamas” in their minds. In any event, it’s a sad and sorry finding even if it’s only partly accurate, and the radicalisation of Islamic youth is one of the most distressing and tragically predictable outcomes of the growth of so-called “identity politics”, which is now playing out throughout the West, and increasingly in a new black-white divide in America, as well.
But despite this survey it would be wrong to see this phenomenon as something unique to young followers of Islam. Indeed, as one of the sources quoted in the article remarked:
The rise of identity politics has helped create a more fragmented, tribal society, and made sectarian hatred more acceptable generally. At the same time, the emergence of “anti-politics,” the growing contempt for mainstream politics and politicians noticeable throughout Europe, has laid the groundwork for a melding of radicalism and bigotry. Many perceive a world out of control and driven by malign forces; conspiracy theories, once confined to the fringes of politics, have become mainstream.
It is so. This isn’t a religious thing. It’s all about contemptuous disenchantment and disempowerment.
That said, the fact that we actually find most interesting in the graph above is the much LOWER figure – virtually negligible, in fact, in polling terms – in Germany.
In our analysis, this can be explained by three simple factors.
Whilst there is racial tension within Germany – particularly where the Turkish immigrant population is concerned, it is less of a problem than elsewhere.
Even with the persistent (if small) growth in Neo-Nazi skinhead violence, the vast majority of Germans utterly reject the balkanisation of politics based on race. Given their recent history, and the efforts the State makes to prevent racial abuse or anything that smacks of it, this is laudable and not at all surprising.
Another differentiator, of course, is that much of the Islamo-fascism currently being exhibited in the world is explicitly anti-Israeli and by extention anti-Jewish, and expressing sentiments that could possibly be interpreted or misinterpreted as anti-Jewish in Germany is still well-nigh impossible, again for very obvious reasons.
The third reason, and this is very significant, is that the German economy is significantly wealthier and more successful than the British, or the French. There is plenty of education and work to be had, and both are the perfect balm for the vast majority of young people, of all racial backgrounds, who might otherwise be led into more extreme conclusions about society.

Recent riots in France were painted as “Islamic” by commentators, but in fact, as the placard being carried by one demonstrator says, it was more accurately an explosion of frustrated youth violence, like previous riots in the UK and elsewhere.
Unemployment – especially youth unemployment – is the perfectly fertilised and endlessly productive seed bed for extremism of all kinds, whether you look at 1789 France or France last year, 1917 Russia, 1933 Germany, 1970s Northern Ireland, the “Arab Spring” of 2011, or America, France and Britain today.
And where that unemployment falls most onerously on any particular racial or religious groupings, particularly a grouping that considers itself as a minority, then you have a recipe for immediate and predictable disaster.
But even when that miserable judgement is made, it is the generalised “anti politics” trend that concerns us most – even more than any passing fad for Islamic extremism that threatens us today.
The simple fact is that when people perceive their leaders as corrupt, when people perceive them as petty, when people perceive them as habitual liars, (with plenty of evidence), when people perceive them as lacking in required levels of intelligence or leadership skills, then they do not blame the individuals as much as they blame the system. And variously, they turn (and they can turn very quickly) to revolutionary creeds – Marxism, Fascism, religious extremism: whatever is around and easily grasped as a panacea, really.

Anti-democrats don’t start out carrying a sign saying “crush democracy”. They know it frightens the horses. And they can be superficially attractive – Josef Stalin was quite a hunk as a youngster, for example.
This is precisely why we have frequently labelled America a ‘pre-Fascist” state* – not because we believe there are organised groups of people seeking to subvert the American constitution and replace it with some Hitler-style figure – there are such groups, but they are still largely fringe dwellers, and there are also big money groups that wield far too much malign financial power over the political system, such as the Koch brothers, but their influence is still basically visible and trackable – rather, it is because the fracturing of America into potentially warring tribes is so very palpably obvious when viewed from a distance, matched (equally obviously) by an increasingly careless disregard for civil rights and privacy from the authorities.
A frightening realisation that often comes later in life is that democracy, in all its expressions, contains within it the seeds of its own destruction. The very thing that makes democracy so worth preserving – freedom of opinion and the resulting freedom of speech – is the very weapon that can tear it down.
History teaches us, again and again, that there is a tipping point when a majority of people despair of the system and when they do they are prepared to consider a replacement – any replacement. Or it can be a highly motivated minority, with good organisational skills.
Shorn of the wonderful, soaring rhetoric of its core principles by the behaviour of its key players – our political leaders, and the media – democracy simply seems increasingly and hopelessly out of touch and irrelevant. All it needs is a half-credible populist to repeat the people’s complaints alluringly, and the complaints are worldwide, and they are devastatingly simple and enticing:
“I don’t trust them”, “They’re all just in it for themselves”, “They don’t know what to do”, “They’re just taking the piss out of the rest of us, and we’re paying”, “They don’t care about us.” “What can I do? They won’t listen to me.”
At one and the same time, powerful cabals in business and the military foolishly consider they can take advantage of such unrest to position themselves to take over as “a strong voice”, to run things (skimming off the top, of course) while the hubbub of dissent dies down, until – inevitably – they realise they have seized a tiger by the tail, and they can’t control it. “Temporary” restrictions on freedom become permanent, and apply to these fellow travellers as much as they do to the rest of us. They imagine themselves isolated from the crackdown by their money, except – as they invariably discover – they are not.
Anti-politics. It is louder in the West than we can remember at any time since we started paying attention in the 1960s.
“They don’t care about little people.” “Just a bunch of snouts in a trough.” “They’re all stupid.” Â “There’s no real difference between them, anyway. It’s all a game.” “I just don’t trust ’em. Any of ’em.”
Indeed, as we write these phrases, it is all we can do to stop from nodding in agreement. They are so seductive.

A son of the aristocracy, Churchill never lost his early passion for democracy that was often found in those days in the ranks of the independently wealthy.
Except if we are seduced by them, we will hate what comes after. As Winston Churchill supposedly famously remarked:
“Democracy is the worst form of government, it’s just better than all the others.”
Actually, and somewhat ironically, the most famous defender of modern democracy might not have actually generated those words, although in his lifetime he did say a lot about democracy, especially when its survival was threatened with the horrors of German and Austro-Hungarian Nazism, Italian and Spanish Fascism (amongst others), and Soviet-style “marxism”.
Churchill did say something like this in the House of Commons on 11 NovemÂber 1947) but it appears he was quotÂing an unknown preÂdeÂcesÂsor. From Churchill by HimÂself, page 574:
Many forms of GovÂernÂment have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one preÂtends that democÂracy is perÂfect or all-wise. Indeed it has been said that democÂracy is the worst form of GovÂernÂment except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.
So, although these are Churchill’s words, it is an amusing historical footnote that he clearly did not origÂiÂnate the famous remark about democracy. We wonder who did. Anyhow, here are some origÂiÂnal things that the great man did say about democracy over 70 years in public life:
If I had to sum up the immeÂdiÂate future of demoÂcÂraÂtic polÂiÂtics in a sinÂgle word I should say “insurance.” That is the future — insurance against danÂgers from abroad, insurÂance against dangers scarcely less grave and much more near and conÂstant which threaten us here at home in our own island.
Free Trade Hall, ManÂchesÂter, 23 May 1909At the botÂtom of all the tribÂutes paid to democÂracy is the litÂtle man, walkÂing into the litÂtle booth, with a litÂtle penÂcil, makÂing a litÂtle cross on a litÂtle bit of paper—no amount of rhetoric or voluÂmiÂnous disÂcusÂsion can posÂsiÂbly diminÂish the overÂwhelmÂing imporÂtance of that point.
House of ComÂmons, 31 OctoÂber 1944How is that word “democÂracy” to be interÂpreted? My idea of it is that the plain, humÂble, comÂmon man, just the ordiÂnary man who keeps a wife and famÂily, who goes off to fight for his counÂtry when it is in trouÂble, goes to the poll at the approÂpriÂate time, and puts his cross on the balÂlot paper showÂing the canÂdiÂdate he wishes to be elected to Parliament—that he is the founÂdaÂtion of democÂracy. And it is also essenÂtial to this founÂdaÂtion that this man or woman should do this withÂout fear, and withÂout any form of intimÂiÂdaÂtion or vicÂtimÂizaÂtion. He marks his balÂlot paper in strict secrecy, and then elected repÂreÂsenÂtaÂtives and together decide what govÂernÂment, or even in times of stress, what form of govÂernÂment they wish to have in their counÂtry. If that is democÂracy, I salute it. I espouse it. I would work for it.”
House of ComÂmons, 8 DecemÂber 1944
Stirring stuff. And how unlike any modern politicians that come to mind, except, perhaps, the trio of dead American heroes, JFK, RFK, and MLK. Little wonder that they seized the imagination so thoroughly, and are still revered to this day, even though their feet of clay have been comprehensively documented. They talked about the principles of Government, not just the outcomes.
In today’s world, once again – and urgently, in our view – we need to make the argument for democracy itself. Not for nothing do the appalling leadership of extremist Islam, epitomised at its most horrible by ISIS, reject the very concept of democracy at the very same time as so-many of their co-religionists seek to acquire and embrace it. ISIS and others of their ilk know they are engaged in a death struggle for their narrow view of the universe against the very principles that democracy uniquely espouses: the principle of protection under the law whoever you are, whatever your creed, sex or colour, true justice that is separated from the government and which can hold the government itself to account, freedom to express oneself fearlessly, genuinely participatory government, the rights of women and minorities to be treated as equals, and much, much more.
For our own internal stability, and in defence of those who dream of democratic freedom everywhere, we need to make our passion for democracy loud and clear, recapturing why we believe it to be superior to the alternatives.
Even if we don’t care about personal freedom, let us carol from the rooftops that it has been shown to be more economically successful – and more sustainably – than any other system.
Even Communist China, containing fully one-third of the world’s
population, enjoying its hugely successful experiment in State-directed capitalism, is increasingly recognising that it cannot endlessly stifle the opinions and behaviour of the governed.
They have recognised that they can release a gale of innovation and improvement by asking the opinion of their own people (a truly alien view for the whole of Chinese history thus far) and thus they are taking faltering steps to introduce more freedom into their system without triggering a cataclysm of change.
As just one measurement, the level of openly critical comment in China today is measured in vast multiples compared to even ten years ago, as is the nationwide passion to tackle corruption, which has been endemic in China since time immemorial.
How ironic that the People’s Republic of China – until recently a vile and periodically vicious autocracy – is cautiously embracing a belief set that we seem essentially content to see wither on the vine. Certainly when measured by the public behaviour of our elite.
If nothing else, our leaders and opinion formers should be arguing for the success of liberal democracy as an economic vehicle – not, please note, arguing in favour of unfettered capitalism – as the proven way forward for humankind.
The evidence is that democracy spreads wealth better than any other system, to the widest possible number of people, even while it grapples with the excesses of the runaway freight train of capitalism. Democracy actually restrains the worst features of capital’s behaviour – environmental vandalism, for example. (And if you want to see the results of capitalism that is not fettered by democracy, both in terms of economic failure, cronyism, violence, and environmental vandalism, just have a look at Russia today.)
But more than mere words, more than argument, we need to make democracy work for the governed.
As a beginning, we need to act with utter ruthlessness when evidence of corruption or rorting the system is uncovered.
We need to be deeply suspicious of centralising power, and passionate and enthusiastic about devolving power to the lowest practical level concomitant with effective decision-making.
(For this reason, we are tentatively in favour of Scotland voting for its independence next month, despite acknowledging that it might not appear to be a sound decision economically, at least in the short term. Not that we think it will.)
We must watch our security services and police like hawks, ensuring that the work they do is effective, but that their understanding of the proper limits on their powers is thorough and genuine.
We must defend and encourage media diversity, because a plehtora of opinions expressed openly is the best possible way to generate the ideas we need to successfully navigate our new century and beyond. Anything that compresses media ownership into fewer and fewer hands, blithely covered up with promises of editorial independence that everyone knows are false – is actively dangerous. NewsCorp, and those like unto it, are bad for the health of democracy. “State-owned” news outlets – unless protected by the most rigorous legislation – are a contradiction in terms, wherever they are.
We must encourage bi-partisanship, not because we want our democracy reduced merely to fudge and lazy compromise, but because the public needs to see – to witness – people of good faith working together on their behalf or the social compact with the governed will collapse.
It follows that the role of Opposition is to oppose what it truly believes to be wrong, rather than simply “everything”, and that Government should habitually respect and consider the opinions of those who disagree with it. The impasse between Obama and the Congress in recent years was an economic annoyance, to be sure. But it was a political catastrophe.
Where disagreement is genuine, then the debate should be conducted with civility. Even when one considers another person foolish in the extreme, misguided, or lacking perception, the skill is to make that point in such a manner that they will at least consider you may be wiser or in possesion of a better idea, and also so you may carry public opinion with you. And so that the public can see your good intentions, and not just your muscular antagonism.
We “dumb down” our debates at great cost and at our peril.
If something is “dumb”, the people know they can do without it. When politicans dumb down their discourse, when they are relentlessly trite or scathingly negative, encouraged, aided and abetted by a media that has an increasingly – vanishingly – small attention span, they are not playing some clever stratagem.
In risking a backlash against democracy itself, they are lining themselves up to be thrown in a prison, or worse, by the tidal wave that replaces what they blindly thought was inexorable and irreplaceable. They are beating ploughshares into pikes, and putting them into the hands of those who – when they aren’t even offered complex, thoughtful or educated opinion to consider – can see no reason why they shouldn’t adopt simpler ideas expressed in slogans.
As democracy swept across Europe in the mid-late 19th century and into the 20th century, it was buttressed by wise souls who ensured that every village, every town, had facilities for the dis-semination of ideas and knowledge, for the edification of the working poor, (such as with the Working Men’s Institutes of Britain), so that they would become participatory members of a new compact.
The privileged who led these conscious efforts to uprate the skills and learnings of the poor were driven by belief, not by an empirical calculation that they were providing a safety valve for the expectations of the people. They believed that a government of all cannot exist if the all is disenfranchised through ignorance or lack of opportunity. So they set about creating the knowledge that would let people fully participate.
Yet today the efforts of those great communicators have been hijacked. Today they are largely directed into providing an endless diet of sport, or reality TV, or mind-numbing time-consuming soap opera and unedifying “popular” drama. Modern media resembles nothing more than an electronically-delivered diet of “bread and circuses” – a tactic for mind control, remember, employed by the Roman dictatorship very successfully for 400 years. “Don’t worry about how we are governing, or who for – here’s a load of bread and a free ticket to watch the gladiators. Come back tomorrow for more of the same.”
And today, devoid of any understanding of why democracy matters, the governed have essentially lost interest, and satiate themselves instead on a diet of moronic “entertainment”.
Ask yourself: where are the civics classes in our schools and universities? Where are our unions, who taught people not just how but why they should defend their rights? Where are the rhetoricians, stirring our minds with ideas and concepts? (Answer, making a “Ted Talk” to their fellow intellectual and financial elite.) Why have our political parties shrunk to be miniscule mockeries of their former selves, with memberships so ludicrously small as to make them nothing more than stripped-down bureaucracies, homes for duelling apparatchicks?
Un-engaged and uncomprehending, the people are ripe to be captured by that simplest and most terrifying of ideas.
“It’s all their fault. Let’s go get ’em.”
Who “they” are varies from theatre to theatre, of course. Alarmist? Look at that graph at the top of the page again.
Democracy is not the natural form of government for humanity. Violence is. Democracy has been hard won with the stout arms and often the lives of millions, for over 2,000 years.
Democracy will not persist if it is dysfunctional. Democracy will not persist if it is not protected. Democracy will not persist if we lose the argument.
Think about it. Discuss.
*For history buffs, there is a famous quotation, “When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.”
- Many variants of this exist, but the earliest known incident of such a comment appears to be a partial quote from James Waterman Wise, Jr., reported in a 1936 issue of The Christian Century that in a recent address here before the liberal John Reed club said that Hearst and Coughlin were the two chief exponents of fascism in America. If fascism comes, he added, “it will not be identified with any “shirt” movement, nor with an “insignia,” but it will probably be “wrapped up in the American flag and heralded as a plea for liberty and preservation of the constitution.“
- Another early quote is that of Halford E. Luccock, in Keeping Life Out of Confusion (1938): When and if fascism comes to America it will not be labeled “made in Germany”; it will not be marked with a swastika; it will not even be called fascism; it will be called, of course, “Americanism.”
- Harrison Evans Salisbury in 1971 remarked: “Sinclair Lewis aptly predicted in It Can’t Happen Here that if fascism came to America it would come wrapped in the flag and whistling ‘The Star Spangled Banner.'”
Reblogged this on Musings by George Polley and commented:
A very perceptive, timely, and important article by Stephen Yolland.
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Dynamite article, Yolly. I took the liberty of reblogging it on my “Musings” blog. I think your article is one that needs to be widely read, so I also shared it on Facebook, G+ and Twitter.
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Thanks George: I hope a lot of people read it, and “Because I wrote it” is the least reason why.
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On the metro in Atlanta yesterday I saw a young man wearing an ISIS logo’ed hat. Whether or not he understands what it truly means, it should be shocking. Disenfranchisement in the US is also a major contributor to disconnection and something we could easily change. In some states, a person cannot get voting rights restored until they have paid all fines, penalties, fees etc. imposed by the court, which of course accrue interest and further penalties.
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The voting rights issue is a major one: clearly it is an attempt to disenfranchise the poor (or just the scatterbrained and poorly organised) dressed up as good governance. As for the young man, I, like you, wonder if he really has any idea what he is supporting …
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And thanks for dropping by and commenting, Louise 🙂
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Stephen,
I have read your arguments twice now and have some sympathy for the article, except you start with a deeply flawed opinion poll by ICM (I leave aside the second poll on Gaza).
First who paid for the ICM poll? ICM start to explain with: ‘An ICM poll on behalf of the Russian news agency Rossiya Segodnya tested the awareness of the group ISIS’. From: http://www.icmresearch.com/media-centre/press/isis-poll-for-rossiya-segodnya
What is this news agency? ‘an international news agency founded by a decree of the Russian president Vladimir Putin’. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rossiya_Segodnya
Which news website ran the story (maybe first)? RT or Russia TV and Wiki mildly refers to: ‘RT has been accused of providing disinformation and commentary favorable to Russian foreign policy’. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RT_%28TV_network%29
RT’s story has some interesting comments and I am no statistician, but this point is hard to argue with: ‘what a stuppid poll, only 10% of the population of france is muslim so never that 15% is pro ISIS, that would mean that 100% of the muslim is for ISIS and stil 5% of the christian people’. See: http://rt.com/news/181076-isis-islam-militans-france/
My recollection is that ICM’s website allowed comments, it had a few and now they have gone.
I fully agree with your final sentence: ‘Democracy will not persist if we lose the argument’.
Part of the problem with the panic over the current success of the barbarians of ISIS is that at home, whether it is Australia, France, the UK and elsewhere we rarely argue with the enemies of democracy at home. Instead we rely on law enforcement, intelligence agencies and military force as our defences.
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David you may well be right about the poll, I have seen it derided and supported. But as you see, I really use it as a jumping off point for a broader discussion …
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